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1121 West Colton Avenue, Redlands, California, United States, 92374-2935

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18 FEB 19, I took my truck to Redlands Ford to have the Emergency Brake sensor repaired because the sensor was stuck on. With in two hours I was being told my front and rear brakes needed to be replaced. The rear brakes were .3mm and Front Brake pads were cracked. I was in shock since I had just had all four brake pads replaced 13 Months ago, or so I thought... turns out Redlands Ford did not replace the rear brakes 13 months ago when I asked them to. They only changed the front brake pads because the rear brakes were at 7mm even though I asked them to replace them and had been led to believe they had replaced them all this time. Redlands Ford blamed the cracked front brake pads in my driving and towing. I’ve only towed my trailer twice in 13 months... the brakes would shake every time I applied the brakes to slow down or stop and I believe the pads were either faulty or the rotors were not machined properly and were warped causing the new pads to crack. So Redlands Ford replaced the rear pads for free, but charged me for replacing front pads and rotors. Today, 21 FEB 18, I discovered the new Emergency Brake Light sensor does not work when I engage the Emergency Brake when I park which was the whole reason I took the truck in for repairs in the first place. I have lost all trust and faith in the redlands ford service department as they do not place customer safety and quality service repair above their profit. The service department takes short cuts and their are no quality of work control measures in place to protect customer safety. They did not even check to verify the work they charged me for was done correctly... this is totally unsatisfactory and I pray The Revdex.com investigates the poor quality of service repair work done at Redlands Ford because they are ripping people off and putting customer safety at risk.

Ken Grody Ford Response • Mar 06, 2019

Good Morning,

In reference case ID we have worked with our customer in this matter. He has returned his vehicle for inspection and his concern has been addressed to his satisfaction. Thank you and if you have any questions please feel free to contact meat any time.

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Parts, Service & Quicklane Director

I went in for an oil change and found that they left my oil drain plug loose enough for me to untighten by hand. Leaving oil leaking all pve my oil pan. My oil filter was left covered in oil as well. Now I have to keep am eye on it and see if it leaks anymore.

Ken Grody Ford Response • Feb 21, 2019

Good Morning,

The management team here at Redlands Ford has review the customer complaint for the attached Revdex.com Complaint ID (***). We have reviewed the complete service visit as recorded on our in-stall camera system and we have had a conversation with the customer. On the video footage of the service visit it is clear that the technician working on the vehicle used a wrench to tighten the drain plug when it was reinstalled and the entire area was cleaned including the new oil filter prior to the vehicle being lowered on the lift and filled with new oil.

Based on our review of the service visit Redlands Ford is not willing to refund the customer as requested for his service. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter and if you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.

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Parts, Service & Quicklane Director

Ken Grody Ford Response • Mar 01, 2019

To whom it May Concern,
In reference to complaint ***, after further review from the management team at Redlands Ford our conclusion is still the same. That being said the only pattern that has become apparent is that the last two times this customer has been in for service, he has had concerns with the service on his vehicle that Redlands Ford does not experience as concerns with nay kind or regularity. The first concern the customer had Redlands Ford addressed and replaced the parts in question without inspection for customer satisfaction. Now this visit he has a different concern that cannot be verified and is not a concern that we have reported from other customers in the past. Rather than continue to go back and fourth and waste the time of all parties involved including the valuable time of the Revdex.com, Redland Ford has decided to refund the customer for the service rendered and ask that this customer does not return to Redlands ford in the future for any service.
Thank you for you time ans attention to this concern.

Customer Response • Mar 03, 2019

I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.As stated in the resolution for this claim, I am not to return for any services on my vehicles. It really saddens me that a Ford dealership treats it's local veterans and their families in such ways. Since the dealership cannot prove proper procedures in the changing of oil, I am forced to accept the ban to return to this dealership recieve the refund for the services performed on my last visit. I only hope that you are treating your customers with the respect and quality of service they deserve for choosing your business to take care of simple preventative maintenance on their vehicles. Technicians need to really pay attention to what they are doing. Their mistakes are putting vehicle owners, and their families in harm's way when they start performing their duties in such a poor manner.

Redlands ford serviced my wife's 2013 Ford Escape and changed the spark plugs. Her car began misfiring recently and she took it to Fairfield Ford to diagnose the problem. It is only been about 20,000 miles since the spark plugs were by Redlands Ford. Fairfield Ford says the evidence is irrefutable that Redlands Ford Miss installed a spark plug cross threading it and causing $4,500 in damage to the engine. The cylinder head is damaged where the spark plug threads in and must be replaced. They spoke with an engineer from Ford's corporate division who inspected the evidence and stated that it was clearly cross-threaded and that Redlands Ford was liable for the damage. Redlands Ford refuses to accept the evidence including very clear photographs that show the spark plug in question has a damaged thread and was never fully seated. Fairfield Ford tells me that the spark plug would have failed more quickly then the others because it wasn't fully seated , which led to the misfiring because it wasn't fully seated in the causing more rapid fouling. The spark plug in question has threads above the mangled section that look pristine and show no wear or grime. The bottom of the spark plug that *** is much dirtier then the other spark plugs taken out of the same engine which were installed at the same time. Fairfield Ford believes that Redlands Ford is attempting to pressure them into making a fraudulent warranty claim. I have an extended warranty which would cover a blown head gasket, and Redlands Ford is claiming the problem is from a blown head gasket. It would be the easiest thing in the world for Ford Fairfield to Simply agree with Redlands and do the work and bill it to the warranty company. Fairfield Ford has stated, and has no reason to lie, that this is clearly not a blown head gasket. They state that they have done a block test which rules out the possibility of a blown head gasket. After presenting Redlands Ford with photographs and evidence as well as the opinion of the Ford corporate engineer Redlands Ford is still refusing to do anything to make this situation right. The estimated damage is $4,500 and that is not including the $500 and growing rental car bill. Redlands Ford refuses to accept the evidence including very clear photographs that show the spark plug in question has a damaged thread and was never fully seated. Fairfield Ford tells me that the spark plug would have failed more quickly which led to the misfiring because it wasn't fully seated in the cylinder. The spark plug in question has threads above the mangle dissection that look pristine and show no where or grime. The bottom of the spark plug that *** is much dirtier than the other spark plugs taking out of the same engine which one stalled at the same time. Fairfield Ford believes that Redlands Ford is attempting to pressure them into make any fraudulent warranty claim. I have an extended warranty which would cover a blown head gasket, and Redlands Ford is claiming the problem is from a blown head gasket. It would be the easiest thing in the world for Ford Fairfield to simply agree with Redlands and do the work and bill it to the warranty company. Fairfield Ford has stated and has no reason to lie that this is clearly not a blown head gasket. They State that they have done a block test which rules out the possibility of a blown head gasket. After presenting Redlands Ford with photographs and evidence Redlands Ford is still insisting that it is a blown head gasket and that they are not liable for the damage. I am somewhat at a loss as to what to do next other than figure out how to pay for the damaged they did when they miss installed the spark plug. I would appreciate any assistance in attempting to get Redlands Ford to do the right thing and cover the damage they clearly caused. Everyone makes mistakes but when a mistake is made that causes damages to someone else's property you need to own up to it and make it right. I've spent over a week trying to work this out with Redlands Ford and their stances basically that they are incapable of making mistakes, that Fairfield Ford is completely wrong even though they are the ones who have the vehicle and have inspected and tested it, and are now also refusing to accept the opinion of a Ford corporate engineer who is independent of both dealerships. The service manager at Redlands Ford is now dodging my calls and not returning my calls. This car is primarily used by my wife was been a lifelong Ford girl, she is only driven Ford since she first started driving in high school. This is her fourth Ford and she is very saddened to be treated so poorly buy a company she has been so loyal to. My desired outcome is for Ford Redlands to pay for the repair necessitated by the damage they caused. According to Fairfield Ford the car requires the cylinder head to be replaced at a cost of approximately $4,500. I feel they also should compensate us for the cost of the rental car which has been needed due to the loss of the vehicle because it has been stuck in limbo waiting for them to cover the costs. The rental car costs at this point are over $500 and increasing daily. I have exhausted every Avenue I can think of to try and get resolution to this before contacting you but have had no success as Redlands Ford holds to the position that it is impossible for them to make a mistake and they refuse to accept the overwhelming evidence which Fairfield Ford's service manager refer to as quote irrefutable. The service manager of Fairfield Ford contacted the service manager of Redlands Ford and spoke to me prior to the call. He felt extremely confident that Redlands Ford would change their position once they saw the photographic evidence. He called me after the call and stated that the service manager, Trevor, at Redlands Ford was quote not the most pleasant person to talk to, try to argue with him in spite of clear evidence, and was not being reasonable. As best as I understand the evidence presented to me Redlands Ford is making any excuse possible no matter how far-fetched to attempt to avoid liability for the damage they caused. It is the opinion of Fairfield Ford that they are also pressuring Fairfield Ford to claim that it is a blown head gasket and repaired under warranty which Fairfield Ford States would be clearly a fraudulent warranty claim.

Ken Grody Ford Response • Jul 24, 2018

"Serving you with the courtesy and respect thatyou deserve." ID 12961432 Redlands Ford was first contacted on 07/05/2018 by Mr. On Mr. first conversation he was very upset and demanded Redlands Ford pay for a repair at another dealership that he stated was caused from a cross threaded spark plug that Redlands Ford had installed over a year and 21,000 miles ago. I asked many questions regarding the situation that Mr. was unable to answer. Mr. could only tell me that *** at Fairfield Ford told him the spark plug was cross threaded. I explained our process of replacing spark plugs to Mr. and the reasons we use that process including how we install and thread the plug all the way in to the seat by hand to prevent the possibility of cross threading. I also told Mr. I would contact *** at Fairfield Ford since I was concerned not only about the thread damage but also the cause of his engine misfire concern that he had taken the vehicle to Fairfield Ford for.

After getting off of the phone with Mr. I contacted *** the service advisor helping MR. and Mrs. at Fairfield Ford a short time later on 07/05/2018. *** explained to me that Mrs. had taken the 2013 ford escape with a 1.61 engine to his dealership with a miss fire concern. He stated that the technician working on the vehicle had check for DTC's, road tested the vehicle to verify the concern, swapped ignition coils to different cylinder to test if the miss fire would change cylinders during the next road test. He went on to say that the technician went back out on another road test and noted the miss fire did not change cylinders so he had to attempt to remove the spark plug for inspection. At that time the engine was hot and the technician ran into some trouble at some point in the removal process and was unable to remove the spark plug. *** then explained that after the vehicle sat over night the technician was able to get the spark plug out of the aluminum cylinder head but the head had suffered some thread damage that the tech stated was from the spark plug being cross threaded. Knowing that there are several things that can cause thread or cylinder head damage including removal of a steel spark plug from a hot aluminum cylinder head I had many questions. I asked *** how would a cross threaded spark plug not come loose in the head while driving for 21,000 miles since it would not be secured properly? *** answered that he didn't know. I asked *** if the plug was seated in the head and he stated he wasn't sure. I also asked *** what the cause of the miss fire was and he stated that at this time Fairfield Ford didn't know the cause of the engine miss fire and the vehicle could not be ran for any further testing until the cylinder head was replaced. When I asked *** about repairing the threads in the cylinder head with one of a few known good repair methods he simply stated that the technician recommends replacing the cylinder head. When I asked *** about a possible blown head gasket causing the miss fire since this model engine has some history of overheating concerns and head gasket concerns he stated he was unable to determine if the vehicle had a blown head gasket until the cylinder head was replaced. I mentioned that at that point the head gasket would already have been replaced also and there is a better than good chance the engine miss will also be corrected without ever determining the root cause of the concern. At this point in my conversation with *** I was completely concerned with the recommendations and I asked *** if he could please send me some picture to help me see what they are looking at.

On the evening of 07/05/2018 *** emailed me three (3) pictures of the spark plug with a note that stated looking at the spark plug it does look like it hasn't been fully seated". When I printed the pictures, it appeared to me that it was clear that the seat of the spark plug had been fully seated all the way around. After looking at the pictures I asked two of my senior master technicians (one with 40 years of experience at our store and the other with 33 years of experience at our store) to take a look and give me their opinion. They both looked at the pictures and confirmed it was dear that the spark plug in question had been fully seated and explained how they could tell. Since we pride ourselves at Redlands Ford on delivering quality automotive service along with superior customer service I wanted to make sure this could not have been caused by a spark plug cross threaded when it was installed so long ago so I contacted two (2) Ford Motor Company Field Service Engineers. I explained the situation and asked them to please give me their professional opinion. They both stated that there is no doubt that in fact all the pictures clearly show the seat of the spark plug and that the spark plug had been fully seated into the cylinder head. If the plug would have been cross threaded when it was installed the seat would not have been contacted in the manor shown in the pictures.

On 07/06/2018 I contacted Mr. and left a voice message of our findings and how we determined the spark plug was not cross threaded when ft was installed originally. Later that day I had a conversation with Mrs. and explained all the steps Involved in our findings and the concerns I had with the position the vehicle was in at this time. I also explained that Redlands Ford was not responsible for the damages or any of the expenses involved with the needed repairs. I explained that I would be happy to try and help get to the bottom of what was causing the engine miss but with the vehicle so far away at another dealer I had limited information to work with as far as the engine miss was concerned.

On 07/09/2018 I was contacted by *** from Fairfield Ford and he asked if Redlands Ford was going to be cover the cost of the repairs for the *** vehicle and I told him that after looking over the pictures he provided with many experts In the field looking them over it had been determined that the plug was not cross threaded when it was installed and Redlands Ford would not be responsible for any of the repairs needed at this time. I explained to *** my concerns with the diagnosis and then he stated that Fairfield Ford had completed a block test and the vehicle didn't have a blown head gasket. When I asked *** how he was able to perform that block test since we last talked know that the engine has to be running to perform a proper block test and he said the that the head would have to be replaced before any further testing could be done and he had no response. This made me feel like I was not being given the full truth and I told lake I was concerned with his findings.

The next few days the dealer received many verbally abusive and threatening phone calls from From Mr. Mr. spoke with the Owner along with myself and multiple other staff members. He stated he was medically retired and was going to post as many negative reviews as he could, contact any and all agencies he could in order to waste as much of our time as possible until he got his way. We again explained how and why we determined our findings. He stated he didn't care he felt that we are liars and we were going to pay one way or another.

On 07111/2018 I received a phone call from a gentleman stating he was the Parts and Service Director at Fairfield Ford and his name was ***. *** stated to me that he had spent the last hour dealing with Mr. and the spark plug situation and seemed very irritable and aggressive. When I explained to him that I had two Ford Motor Company Field Service Engineers help come to our conclusion he seemed to get even more frustrated. We then had a short conversation where I explained my concerns with some of the inconsistencies in the finding I was given from *** he had no response. He then went on to tell me that he had different picture that he wanted to send me to take a look at. He emailed me three (3) additional pictures with some notes on the pictures that in my opinion still showed the same proof of the previous pictures. I forwarded the pictures to the same two FSE's I asked to look at the other pictures and they agreed that the new pictures showed the same proof of the spark plugs being installed properly. During the conversation with *** he stated to me that the spark plug was only installed a few threads into the head in a cross threaded manor and that prevented the plug from being down into the combustion camber all the way which is what caused the miss. The proof is on the plug that that is not the case at all.

Redlands Ford would never recommend and didn't recommended performing a fraudulent warranty claim or any repair for that manor. The only recommendations given by Redlands Ford in this case were that the cause of the concern needed to be found. Redlands Ford in no way had any contribution to the cause of this concern or needed repairs.

***, Redlands, CA 92374 •

I have taken the vehicle in multiple times for a "stuttering" issue. This issue has not been resolved, yet we have paid the "deductible" every time we have taken the vehicle in. The problems continue to grow and I believe this is a result of the ignorance or understanding of the original issue. It does not help that my issues are not always written down on the service order, as *** does not listen to the customer complaints, rather busies himself, retrieving old information, rather than listening to the customer's concerns. I have been told I need new tires (in spite of the fact that I had just purchased tires, from this dealership, in fact). I have been told the issue is related to the tires being out of balance. Then, there was turbo solenoids that needed to be replaced. When I picked the vehicle up, I asked *** if the solenoids would fix the stuttering issue to which he replied, "It might." It did not resolve the issue. The car is now having multiple issues, which I have taken in it for, again. There were no notes made on a majority of MY issues - only the issues *** felt needed to be addressed. This "stumbling" issue has been noted as a "vibration," even though I told him at the time it was not a vibration. Now, here we are, hundreds of dollars in deductible expenses later, and still the vehicle has the same issue. When I explained to *** that I did not feel I was liable for the charges, he proceeded to argue with me regarding why I had taken the vehicle in for service. Then, he stated I would need to "argue it with the service manager." I was willing to discuss the issues with the service manager. However, I arrived after 5 p.m. and the service manager, ***, had gone to his son's baseball practice. I am understanding of that and I commend this father's dedication to his child. I regret that I was unable to speak with ***, though I did make a note on the signature line of the work order that I disagree with the charges. I dispute them all, in fact, seeing as how the original issue is still an issue. I also told *** that the oil smelled like gasoline. There was no note made of that. I expressed concerns about a vacuum leak with the heating/cooling system. Again, there is no note about that. I also stated that when the car "stumbles," the RPMs plummet. There is no mention of the stumble or "vibration," as *** prefers to call it. I also mentioned that the fan was coming on and staying on. There was no note of that, though, luckily, the check engine light told them enough so that the issue was resolved, without *** making a note of my concern. Originally, I worked with a service technician named "***." *** has since left this service department. In the past, *** would use "Ford Dollars" (or something to that effect) to cover deductibles and charges that were less than the deductible He gave updates on what the balance was on that account. When *** left, *** assured me he could address our needs and concerns. Unfortunately, *** has not been able to address our issues, in spite of multiple, good-faith opportunities to make this right. When I have explained to *** that I am unhappy with the way things are going, *** has a tendency to become very short fused, impatient, and unwilling to hear my complaints. When I worked with ***, I always left happy and I always felt my issues had been addressed and taken care of. I do not feel that *** has any interest in assisting me with my service needs and I am not sure I trust him to tend to our vehicle any longer. His incompetence has cost me enough and I feel the issue remains and has yet to be resolved. I am concerned about the additional damage being done to the vehicle due to the lack of care or interest regarding my actual complaints (rather than the complaints *** feels inclined to jot down on the work order). I am frustrated and I feel my issues will be disregarded, as I have seen this to be the case, several times. I feel I am reasonable and patient, given an opportunity to be heard, rather than dismissed, blown off or shut down - all of which have happened. I am gravely disappointed that I can no longer rely on the service department at Redlands Ford. I know I am just one customer and my absence will not concern these technicians. I also understand that, due to the fact that we bought the maintenance agreement (a $10K investment), the service department has no interest in insuring our satisfaction. I have gotten snarky comments about that, as well. For multiple - avoidable - reasons, I am unhappy with my neighborhood Ford Service Department. I am disappointed with *** and his lack of consideration on multiple fronts. I have no faith that my vehicle will get me where I'm going, now, and that has never been a fear I've had. I'm incredibly disappointed. Had I found one person who cared enough to listen to me, in the first place, perhaps I would not have felt this complaint was necessary. Had my concerns been addressed, discussed, and acknowledged, maybe my problem would have been resolved long before I got to this point. Had Redlands Ford been willing to see how many times I have paid the deductible for a problem that has not been resolved and given a little at some point, considering this fact, maybe all of this could have been avoided. It is not easy, as a woman, to find service technicians who take you seriously. I miss *** being part of this service department. I never had a reservation or doubt when he handled issues with my vehicle. Since he left, I've had nothing but issues and only deaf ears to hear about them. I know it could be better, as I've seen it for myself.

Ken Grody Ford Response • May 10, 2018

Good Afternoon, I am writing you in reference the complaint ID listed above. I have spoke with the customer that filed the complaint (***) and Redlands Ford has addressed all of the customers concerns to her satisfaction. She picked her vehicle up from us yesterday and even took the time to write a very nice post on social media about her experience. Please let me know what I will need to do to close this complaint properly with your department and I will be happy to do so. Thank you for your help and hope to hear from you soon.***Parts, Service & Quicklane DirectorRedlands Ford(***)***-***www.***.com"Serving you with the courtesy and respect that you deserve!"

Customer Response • May 11, 2018

Revdex.com:

I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me. I applaud Redlands Ford Service Department for their dedication to their customers - even a disgruntled one. I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to have my issues heard and addressed. Above all, I am especially pleased to report those issues and concerns have all been resolved. I would also like to note that the Service Manager reached out to me in response to a post on a social media page, before this formal complaint had even been processed or delivered to him. His initiative to resolve my concerns is commendable and reflective of his genuine dedication to his customers. Many thanks to ***, ***, and ***, as well as the entire Redlands Ford Service Team! The level of customer service I experienced is rarely seen in today's world. I close this complaint with every confidence that Redlands Ford Service Department truly does care about the cars they service and, more importantly, the people who drive them. Thank you, Redlands Ford!

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