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We had a contract with them for 3 yrs. we recently changed companies because every other inspection we were being charged 175.00 to clean our aerator due to pressure issues. We asked many times what is causing this we were told hard water. A new company came out as a courtesy and looked over our system immediately discovered our diffusers were trashed. Due to the way the aerobic septic company cleaned our system each time resulting in ruining our diffusers. The acid treatment used each time along with a charge of 175.00 each occurrence, should not have been done. We did not have the correct diffusers for this treatment to be effective or of good service to our unit. No one ever looked at or suggested any other treatment or diffusers needing replacement.
We have now replaced the diffusers and system reads correctly. I want a refund of each acid treatment charged and paid for since starting the service contract. It was not a nessesary treatment or the correct treatment.
I estimate a refund for 775.00.
We inspected the *** aerobic unit 3 times a year for two years, and twice the last year before they hired another company. Three of the reports for the 8 inspection visits indicated high air pressure, which is caused by calcium in the hard water we have in north Texas. This condition is common from Waco north to the Red River and from West I-35 on west.
Some air systems stop up more often than others. I cannot tell you why that is Maybe with hundreds of questionnaire so we could determine who is on a well, size of family, how much water is used, if a water softener is in use, etc. we might hit on a reason for the air system in a particular septic system to stop up more often than another.
When the calcium in the hard water we have finally stops up an air system to where we have a high air pressure reading, the air motor can be compromised because of the strain on it from having to try to push the air through the calcium deposits. So, it is very important that the air systems be kept clean. Yes, the treatment was necessary unless Ms. wanted to replace her air compressor, call a pumper to remove all the sludge which was going to accumulate, possibly replace her effluent pump when it sucked up all the sludge, and go in the house every time her sprinklers activated because of the terrible septic odor, then answer to a Tarrant County Health Department inspector when one of her neighbors complained. Also, Ms., herself, requested each of the two service calls.
11/20/15. The first time we had an indication of high air pressure was during an inspection on 11/20/15. The air pressure was 5.8 psi. Normal air pressure for that system is between 1.5 psi and 2.5 psi, with the optimum air pressure being 2.0 psi. There was very little sludge in the tank (good), the water was clear (good) and there was no septic odor (good). Those three items can change for the worse if the air system is stopped up for very long. There will be a greater and faster sludge buildup, the water will be cloudy and dirty and there can be a strong septic odor.
12/08/15. When we cleaned the air-delivery system, at the request of Ms., we measured the air pressure at 5.0 psi when we started. After cleaning, the air pressure dropped to the optimum measurement of 2.0 psi. For that service call, Ms. was charge $125.00.
11/14/16. Our inspection report indicated high air pressure of 5.8 psi. Although the water in the tank was dirty there was no appreciable build-up of sludge and no septic odor. Ms. did not request that we make a service call.
04/20/17. The report for our inspection on 4/20/17 indicated a high air pressure of 5.0 psi. The water in the tank was dirty and had a strong septic odor. Ms. requested a service call, which we made on 5/08/17.
5/8/2017. An air pressure test at that time indicated the air pressure to still be high at 5.0 psi. After cleaning, the air pressure dropped to 2.2 psi, which is within the normal range for that system. For that service call, Ms. was charged $125.00.
12/5/2018. Our inspection report indicated high air pressure of 4.8 psi. There was no septic odor, the water was clear and there was just a slight buildup of dark-brown sludge on the bottom of the effluent tank.
In my office, there are two work orders, two invoices, two service reports and two invoices to Ms., for which she paid in two separate checks, the numbers and dates of which have been provided to Ms.. After sending Ms. her check numbers and dates of the checks, and dates of our repairs and invoices, in emails to me, Ms. finally agreed that she paid only $125.00 for each service call instead of the $175.00 each as the previously proclaimed. Ms. also agreed that instead of charging her $775.00 as she first estimated, we charged her, over a 3-year period $250.00. Instead of charging her $175.00 at every other inspection, as she claimed we did, which would have been 4 inspections of the 8 at $175.00 for a total of $700.00, we charged her $125.00 twice. Those charges were on service calls, not inspections. The inspection reports and service reports were filed with the Tarrant County Health Department per state law.
Ms. was told by one of our competitors that using acid to clean her diffusers (I think there is only one diffuser), ruined it. The acid we use is acetic acid – plain old vinegar which does a good job to dissolve calcium deposits. Try it around your faucets. Unfortunately, the calcium will start depositing again and the diffuser will need to be cleaned or replaced again. We would be very interested to learn where Ms. new septic company buys its diffusers to be able to sell one to her at $4.00. The least expensive cost to us, and we have a lot of sources, is $30.00. I think Ms. tends to scramble her facts just a bit.
Yes, installing a new diffuser would give that correct air pressure reading, which we also got by cleaning the stopped-up diffuser with vinegar. All a correct air pressure reading tells you, as opposed to a high air pressure reading, is that the air compressor is not having to work harder than normal to push the air into the aeration tank. This is not a hard concept. It does not matter whether the diffuser is brand new or whether it has been cleaned, if the air can get through without having to push through an obstruction in the air lines or the diffuser, the air pressure is normal.
Ms. indicated to us in an email that if we pay her $250.00 she will advise the Revdex.com she wants to close the complaint. Our argument to her is that we did the work she authorized and received the lower air pressure result we expected. We were appropriately paid for our work and that should be the end of it.
Complaint: ***
I am rejecting this response because:
I have emailed back and forth over the last week with ***. She has stated to me many times in saved emails she is not the expert, *** is. She has done nothing to try and resolve the issue even after I stated yes I was mistaken in the amount of 175.00. We were charged 125.00 per service call to clean the diffusers. I stand corrected in this manner.
*** has done nothing but send me emails of useless chatter trying to school me in purchasing this or that and what I might do if I find higher prices elsewhere after the fact which has nothing to do with the deceptive trade practice this company used in servicing out our contract.
I was always informed of the only way to correct the high oxygen level from said company is an acid treatment. Each time. There were at least 2 charges for this service. Vinegar was not ever used. I use vinegar in my home. The techs told us many times the treatment is mueratic acid. We were even informed on 2 occasions how to go an purchase it and where to apply it, use gloves and a mask etc. In using this treatment it was too harsh and ruined our diffusers. We have 2. *** does not even know how many as she stated one. So if you don't know how many our system has how is she so sure of the treatment used? She has stated over and over to me in writing *** is the expert. *** consulted this and that. Not once did *** reach out to us. Not once did *** contact us over this issue and offer a solution. Not once. *** has only insulted and argued and tried to lesson/school me in the ins and outs of purchasing product from one company or another. I asked her to stop emailing me as she is snippy and I am tired of the useless banter. A solution is not to be through her.
As *** herself stated in the email of response, the diffusers could have been changed out for 30.00 the cost this company charges. So why on earth would you say the acid treatment is the way to clean the air system being too high? cost 125.00 and acid being used in my system. I would have gladly replaced the diffusers for 30.00. Again stated by herself deceptive trade practice.
We have hired a new company. They came out and did a courtesy first time to check our system. Immediately when checked the air pressure it was high, so he pulled the diffusers up and said what product has been used to clean these from the other company. We stated what we had been told by techs and *** herself when we call to schedule the only treatment we have been told can happen. He immediately stated that is why they look like this. That should never have been used to clean your diffusers. They are not the kind that can hold up to the acid treatment. They have to be replaced now.
We replaced them for 5.00.
Again, why on earth were we charged 2 times in 2.5 yrs because we were told before we switched companies this treatment was needed again. so it would have been 3 charges had we not called another company. 2 charges of 125.00 when we could have changed out the diffusers for less. Deceptive trade. They can make more money doing the acid treatment. Deceptive.
The meuratic acid ruined our diffusers. Plain and simple. The diffusers were changed out and our system was normal again.
The company did not even know what kind of diffusers or how many we had. There are different ones used and one course of treatment is not the proper treatment for all.
I only agreed to the treatment because I did not know I had any other option in cleaning the diffusers or replacing them. I was never schooled properly on this. I only requested the acid treatment and it was again not plain vinegar that is a bold lie from *** herself or all 4 techs that told us meuratic acid is used. They themselves can decide that. I do know vinegar would not have ruined our diffusers. Acid did.
I have tried to settle this as nicely as possible with said company. they do not appear to care if the customer is happy or not. I only asked for a refund for the treatments used improperly. I could be asking for a refund for the entire contract we had with them, as I do believe deceptive trade is used which would have been 750.00 and the 250.00 for acid treatments. I did state I would close the case and settle with the 250.00. They have refused to even do that much to settle said dispute.
I am very dismayed that not even the owner *** has chosen to make a disgruntled customer a satisfied customer. I do believe the service I was told I needed to clean my system was deceptive. I do believe we will be much happier with the new company which already has saved us money on cleaning said diffusers. I do believe in all fairness Aerobic Septic Service owes us the $250.00 for charges we unnecessarily paid. period.
Deceptive trade is still deceptive trade. sad.
Regards,
*** And
I purchased a home at *** on 9/29/17. The home has a aerobic septic system so we contracted with the existing provider, Aerobic Septic Service Company that the previous owners used for septic service and monitoring. Initially we thought the existing contact would remain in place as the seller had a contract running 7/1/17 through 7/1/18. Per the request of *** with Aerobic Septic Service Company, I signed a contract with the contract period running from 7/1/17 - 7/1/18.
During October 2017, the previous owners requested a refund so *** sent me a new service contract and I paid the required annual service fee of $150.00 by check dated 10/15/17 which cleared my bank on 10/31/17. Per ***, the new service period ran from 11/1/17 through 11/1/18. The annual service contract entitles us to 3 service inspections per year of which *** said the first would occur sometime in November. Per our request we asked that the service associate notify us at least 1 day in advance so that I could plan to be there when he made his first inspection as this was the first house we had owned that had a septic system and I wanted to know and see how everything worked. *** said that was not a problem and that the service tech would call 1 hour prior to getting there so I would have time to leave work and drive to the house to be present for the initial inspection.
The service tech on 2 occasions called and left a voice message on our cell phones stating he would arrive the following day. The days he selected were not convenient for us as we were scheduled to be out of town on both dates (1 work related and 1 personal) so we called back and asked to reschedule as neither time would work for us. Finally in January we had the visit scheduled for 1/11/18. The tech was schedule to arrive between 10am-12PM. I left work at 9:45 am and drove home to be present for the first inspection. My wife called the main office at 10:30 am to verify he was coming and was told he was on his way and was just an hour out. I stayed at our house till 2:30 pm missing a full 1/2 days work and the tech never showed up. I was furious for missing work and then a no show. I had my wife call the company and cancel our contract due to the broken promises and the major inconvenience of me taking off work and the tech being a no show.
We requested a refund from the company and was told by *** that the check was in the mail. We were also told that there would be a $25 reduction in the amount per the contract but we could expect a refund of $125. We then had follow up e-mails and phone calls requesting a status of when to expect our promised refund and each time *** said there was either an illness or someone was hurt but she would forward the message to ***, the owner.
We continued to send e-mails and phone calls to reach *** but she never returned our e-mails or phone calls. My wife finally made contact with *** on 2/19/18 by phone and was told by *** that no refund would be forthcoming. The conversation was very rude, direct and abusive towards my wife with *** stating since we couldn't wait an additional 30 minutes it was our fault no refund was coming. I waited over 5 hour's for the tech to show on 1/11/18 and even after a phone call to the company stating he was on the way he was a no show.
I believe the best place to start with my comments to the ***’ complaint is to note the parts of our contract which became issues during our dealing with the ***.
1. The contract provided for (3) inspections per year – one every 4 months. By state law, we have 4 months to make our first inspection. Our inspection schedule is set up so that every customer in a specific subdivision, zip code, or area is inspected at the same time. Depending on the number of customers we have in a specific area, we could be in the area three times a year or several times every month during a year. The aerobic units in the area in which Mr. and Ms. live are inspected in November, March and July.
2. When customers sign the contract, they give us permission to enter the property without prior notice ….. unless the customer has made prior arrangements regarding notification for accessing property, which is a call to the customer the night before an inspection so that customer can open a gate or contain an aggressive dog.
3. If a customer refuses to allow our technicians on his property, we have the right to cancel the contract, in which case no portion of the contract fee is refunded.
4. Our contract provides that either we or the customer may cancel the contract for any reason with 30 days’ written notice to the other party to the contract. The fee for the contract is nonrefundable, with the following exceptions: If our company cancels the contract or if the customer cancels the contract because he no longer owns the property, as was the case with the former owner of the *** property, the fee is returned to the customer according to how many inspections have already been made, with some exceptions, such as an outstanding invoice or other money owed by the customer to our company. One third of the contract fee is returned for each inspection that has not yet been made, less outstanding invoices and less an account setup charge of $25.00.
5. In our contract, there is the wording:- “We suggest voice mail capability as only one call and one trip will be made for each inspection. We cannot be present at a property on a specific day or at a specific time.”
Note that Mr. signed the contract with the above stipulations set out very clearly so there would be no misunderstanding. Since Mr. is president of a bank, I assume that somewhere in his college courses or on his way up the corporate ladder, he took a Contracts 101 course, in which the term “nonrefundable” would have been explained. I also assume that, Mr. being president of a bank, he would go to great lengths to thoroughly read any contract he signed, and that having read it, if there were any portion of it to which he did not agree, he would certainly make an objection. So, after receiving the contract, which Mr. signed and for which he paid, ***, co-owner of the company, also signed the agreement. A copy of the signed agreement was then mailed to Mr. and the original was filed with the Tarrant County Health Department in compliance with the State of Texas requirements.
Now that the terms of the contract pertinent to our dealings with the *** have been outlined, I can answer Mr.’s complaint:-
When Mr. called our company inquiring about continuing the former owner’s contract for inspections of the aerobic system serving his home, we agreed, telling him that while there was no charge for our transferring the contract to him, that if the former owner requested a refund for the inspections he had paid for but that had not yet been made, we were obligated to refund the money, but that Mr.could then pay for a one-year agreement if he wished to do so. Later, the former owner did request a refund. We sent a check to him and contacted Mr., who requested a new contract.
Before the contract was emailed to the ***, Ms. called our office and talked with me (***) regarding the first inspection. She said her husband wanted to see what the inspection entailed and would probably have some questions regarding the operation of the system. That is not an unusual request, and we are always happy to have a homeowner present at any inspection. She asked that we call her an hour before the inspector was going to arrive so she could call her husband so he could leave work in time to meet our inspector. I told her we would call her the night before the first inspection, and that our technician would be glad to give them another call when he was about an hour away from their home if they wanted him to do that. She did not say “yes” or “no” and ended the call by asking that I email the contract to her husband at his bank. I emailed the contract to Mr. on October 25 (copy of email attached). Note that in the email I specified that our call to them would be the night before the inspection – not a day ahead. His reply in his email back to me was “perfect”.
When I emailed the contract to Mr. on October 25, I fully expected their first inspection to be sometime in November. Our normal inspection schedule was delayed a couple of weeks because one of our technicians had surgery and our work load had to be redistributed.
On December 14, 2017, ***, our senior technician in charge of inspections, called both of the ***’ cell phones at 8:19 pm and left word on their voice mail boxes that he would be there the next day for the first inspection. He did not receive a call back from them, nor did Mr. or Ms. call our office to delay the inspection, which was done on December 15. When *** completed the inspection, he left a door hanger so they would know the inspection had been completed and placed the state-required sticker on their control box with the date he inspected the system noted on the sticker. ***’s handwritten notes are attached. In addition to those notes made on December 15, there is another note he made on December 20 on that same sheet. I will address his revisit on December 20 later in these comments.
Since our inspectors make their own schedules, those of us in the office rarely know until we receive the completed inspections from the technician that a particular inspection has been made. The same day *** made the first inspection of the *** aerobic unit, Ms. called our office and talked with ***, our customer liaison. She wanted to know when we would be out for her first inspection. *** said Ms. made a number of calls but none of the dates *** suggested were acceptable to her. *** finally called *** to ask when he could go back to the ***’s property so Mr. could visit with him. *** recommended that Ms. pick whichever day she wanted, and said that he would make it a point to leave whatever part of town he was in that day and meet Mr.. Ms. requested that *** be at her house on Tuesday, December 19. *** suggested between 12 pm and 2 pm. Although *** had already committed himself to make some special tests that the Tarrant County Health Department required for our commercial customers, he felt that he could easily do that and still arrive at the ***’s before 2:00. Mrs. agreed to the date and time slot.
December 19 arrived and with it rain – a lot of rain – a whole lot of rain, very dense fog, lightning and thunder. It was a really nasty day. (See weather calendar, attached). I remember it so well because I had a doctor’s appointment that day and was 45 minutes late because of the heavy rain and fog and the accidents on I-30 because of the very slick roads. *** called Ms. that morning to make sure she and Mr. wanted to stand out in that kind of weather and listen to *** describe the operation of their aerobic unit. She said that she still wanted him there.
As the morning went on, the weather got worse, and *** called Ms. to be sure they still wanted *** to be at their house that day. Ms. affirmed that she did.
Around noon, with it pouring rain, Ms. called our office to make sure *** would be at her house. *** told her that he was still planning on going.
Around 1:30 pm, after a call came in from ***, *** called Ms. to let her know that *** was on his way but because of the heavy rain and fog, along with slow traffic and traffic accidents, that he was going to be between 2:00 and 2:30 arriving. She said okay. Ten minutes later she called back and said for *** not to come by and that she was going to call the next week and cancel her contract.
We had a lot of rearranging of appointments to take care of that evening. It had been impossible to make repairs or inspections in the kind of rain we had on Tuesday. With all the changes we made in our schedule, *** got confused and thought he was to go back to the ***’ home. He did drive there and Ms. was really very upset he was there. She very rudely told him to leave her property and that she was going to cancel her contract. I do not know if *** called the *** the night before that visit and left a voice mail, he very well could have, but I have not asked him. But, he did not receive a return call from Mr. or Ms. telling him not to go to their house on Wednesday, December 20.
Late on Thursday afternoon, December 21, Ms. called our office. I was by myself as the other office personnel had gone home for the day. As soon as I answered the telephone with our company name, Ms. told me her name and asked me, “Why was your technician at my house yesterday?” I could tell she was furious, but furious in a very controlled way. I really did not know why someone from our company was at her house, since, except for emailing the contract to Mr., I knew nothing about the events that had occurred regarding the inspection. I told her that I did not know, but that I would find out and call her back. She said no, that she wanted to cancel her contract and wanted a full refund of her contract fee. I then asked if she would enlighten me as to what was going on. She ignored my request and remarked that she had talked with *** a number of times. I told her that *** had already left for the day and again asked her to tell me what the problem was. She said, “I really do not have the time. I am canceling the contract and I want a full refund.”, and she hung up.
When *** came in the next day, I asked her to bring me up to date since Ms. refused to do so. After hearing what had occurred, I did not believe, according to the terms of our contract with them, that Mr. and Ms. were entitled to a refund of their contract fee. When I mentioned my conversation with Ms., ***, who has been with our company over 5 years, told me that Ms. had been so rude to her during every telephone call that if she had to talk to Ms. again that she would give me her two weeks’ notice and quit her job.
During each of the calls Ms. made after December 21 (and there were a number of calls), *** told her there would be no refund. Ms. said we should give her a refund because her husband had to wait on *** to arrive and since her husband made $77.41 an hour – I think that was the figure, the cents could be wrong (who knew bank presidents were paid by the hour) – and that he just did not have time to sit around and wait for some technician to show up at his house. Actually, had they not canceled the appointment after *** was already on his way in the pouring down rain, Mr. might not have had to wait at all because *** thought he could be there between 2:00 and 2:30. During one Ms.’s calls, *** asked her if she had read the contract. Ms. told *** that she had. *** then asked Ms. if she was aware that she had signed a legal document which had a nonrefundable fee. Ms. said, “Yes, I know, but I don’t care!”
Finally, since the numerous, rude calls from Ms. were causing such an emotional upheaval in my office, I offered to send Ms. a check for $125.00 (the contract fee of $150.00, less the stated setup charge of $25.00). Ms. refused, stating she wanted the entire $150.00 returned. She threatened to “report” us to the Revdex.com unless we did what she wanted us to do and came across with a full refund. Ms. would call and make her demands, hang up and then call back in a few minutes and start it all over again. This went on for several days. Finally, she said that she would accept the check for $125.00. *** told her she would put a check in the mail that day. Now, you would think that would be the end of this saga, but Ms. had one more surprise for us. Before she hung up, she said, ”When I get that check, I am going to report you to the Revdex.com.” , and as she did at the end of nearly every telephone conversation, she hung up before the person talking to her could reply. At that point, I felt we had offered the refund to Ms. in good faith that she would end the drama and allow us all to go back to work. However, since Ms. evidently wanted her refund and also wanted to punish my company and its employees for some slight which only existed in her mind, and I guess that of her husband, I took all offers of any kind of refund off the table.
We did not hear from the *** again until an email from her on January 16, 2018 and an email from him on January 25. Both emails were inquiring as to when they were going to receive their check. Neither email was answered by our office. I really did not see a reason to go toe to toe with Ms. again.
We received no other emails of which I am aware and no telephone calls were received from them or voice messages left from that time until Ms. called in February. I knew it was Ms. calling because our office phones have display windows. When I answered her call, she inquired as to when she would be receiving her check. I told her that I was standing by our contract with her and that the contract fee was non-refundable. I told her that our company had bent over backwards to go above and beyond our contract with them to please them and that we had done nothing to warrant their canceling their contract with us. At that point, Ms. began talking, and I stopped and suggested that she have her say then I would have mine, since neither of us could understand what the other was saying. All she said was, “I’m going to hang up now.” And she did. That was the last time either of the *** have contacted our office.
At the time I read Mr.’s version of the events, I wondered where he came up with most of the dates, times, telephone calls, emails and events that made up his story. They just did not happen. After Ms.’s flurry of telephone calls in December, and except for the two emails from them in January, we did not hear from either of them until my conversation with Ms. in February. We would not have scheduled the January visits Mr. described when he was so furious he missed work because he waited 5 hours for our inspector only to realize he was a “no show”. We would not have scheduled those visits because Ms. had already canceled their contract in December. You can believe, after dealing with Ms. during December, nothing would have tempted us to make another appointment with them in January or any other month.
The bottom line is that Mr. signed a contract with us, after which he was not willing to adhere to the terms after he agreed to. We were more than willing to live up to and go beyond the terms of the contract to please Mr. and Ms. and satisfy their demands. As much as we tried, we found that to be an impossible task.
***Aerobic Septic Service Co.
Complaint: ***
I am rejecting this response because: No service was ever performed by the company. If Mrs. knew anything about contract law she would know this constitutes "Theft of Service". It's like writing a hot check to a business after you received their services. In our case her company never performed any service after receiving and cashing our check in October 2017. It amuses me how a so called business allows their service men to schedule their own appointments when we contacted the office each time to schedule appointments. Mrs *** was unaware that her technician had come to our house unannounced (that's right no phone call the night before either as stated in their contract) the day after our scheduled appointment when he was a non show even after my wife called to cancel their service. My wife is the sweetest person in the world until 1) she is lied to, 2) has people try to take advantage of her or 3) not perform the services they have been paid to perform. In this case Mrs. hit the trifecta!
It also appears that Mrs. memory and the facts surrounding the events as they occurred may be at odds with each other....... as the time period from November to January is a couple of months not a couple of weeks. If they won't refund the $125 within a 30 days period I will have my attorney contact them. The money is not the issue and I'd spend several times that amount in question to teach a struggling business owner some manners!
Regards
After move in we called this company 3 weeks in a row to get them out. They never called back and accepted no responsibility. This week our septic system alarm was going off. We called on Friday, they said they would come on Tues. On Tues, they didn’t come and didn’t call. My wife called them; they said they would be here ‘for sure’ on Wed. No one came; no one called. On Wed my wife called again at 3pm and received some story about a part for a door on order that they were waiting on although they had never come to diagnose the problem. They said the part had just come in and they would come tomorrow. After this series of failed commitments, I called and spoke to the owner. From the start of the call he was defensive even going so far as to say that my wife hadn’t listened to what was told. I started to tell him that someone needed to be here in the morning or I would take my business elsewhere. He cut me off and told me to find someone else to fix the problem. I can’t believe that a company that is this unreliable, rude, and lacks any customer service can stay in business. Nor do I understand how they could possibly have an A+ rating. Clearly I’m the first to provide a true review. Beware of this business. Money will be much better spent elsewhere!